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Friday, April 3, 2015
Updated All-Time Indoor Top 5 Mens Performances: Middle Distance/Distance
I am not aware that the IAAF Tables are used for conversions in this way? The track office is aware and may add the mark to the converted list. The conversion method used would be the same as the one used for the others on the list. I suppose they won't be in a hurry about it, but are certainly interested in the submission. Stem memories always make Coach smile, or at least tell another story...
The track office may prefer to keep things the way they are. Perhaps another list of unconverted 2-mile times can be made. Heck, I'd post it when someone creates it. . Conversions suck anyway. Mathematical busy work for OCD types. I'm way too busy posting incorrect facts, after all.
I think Coach did all of those conversions back in the day. He clearly didn't have as much time on his hands as the IAAF cognoscenti in our midst. I will attest to the lumber yard "track" in Detroit - it had more dead spots than firm footing. Lane 1 was pretty much sawdust. LTM
Paul Stemmer's 8:40.6 two mile on Feb 8, 1975 against Navy (flat 200m track), converts to an 8:03.0 3000m.
ReplyDeleteI will send that along to the track office.
ReplyDeleteAbout conversions
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8:34.2 = 7:55.7
8:35.2 = 7:56.7
8:39.8 = 8:00.9
8:40.6 = 8:01.7
Proportional conversion
8:34.2 = 7:55.8
8:35.2 = 7:56.8
8:39.8 = 8:01.0
8:40.6 = 8:01.8
I am not aware that the IAAF Tables are used for conversions in this way? The track office is aware and may add the mark to the converted list. The conversion method used would be the same as the one used for the others on the list. I suppose they won't be in a hurry about it, but are certainly interested in the submission. Stem memories always make Coach smile, or at least tell another story...
ReplyDeleteThe track office may prefer to keep things the way they are. Perhaps another list of unconverted 2-mile times can be made. Heck, I'd post it when someone creates it. . Conversions suck anyway. Mathematical busy work for OCD types. I'm way too busy posting incorrect facts, after all.
ReplyDeleteHere's your two mile list (indoors).
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8:34.2 = 7:55.7 Greg Fredericks, Philadelphia, 1972
8:35.2 = 7:56.7 Robert Snyder, Delaware, 1979
8:39.8 = 8:00.9 George Malley, CYO 1977
8:40.6 = 8:01.7 Paul Stemmer, vs Navy 1975
8:43.8 = 8:07.9 Charlie Maguire, IC4A, 1974
Two mile list (amended)
ReplyDeleteIAAF scoring
8:34.2 = 7:55.7 Greg Fredericks, Philadelphia, 1972
8:35.2 = 7:56.7 Robert Snyder, Delaware, 1979
8:39.8 = 8:00.9 George Malley, CYO 1977
8:40.6 = 8:01.7 Paul Stemmer, vs Navy 1975
8:40.94 = 8:02.0 John Zishka, NCAA 1981
8:43.8 = 8:07.9 Charlie Maguire, IC4A, 1974
Wasn't Ziska at Oregon by 1981? Unsure if that one counts on the PSU list. Maybe the Alumni list?
ReplyDeleteThis points out the remarkable run by Robby Creese this year:
ReplyDelete7:50.36 3000M
(8:26.8) (2 Mile IAAF conversion)
Puts him in rare territory.
Not 7:58 2-Mile territory, mind you, but rare territory none-the-less.
ReplyDeletehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_miles
Zishka was a Freshman in 1981.
ReplyDeleteIAAF scoring tables (latest indoor publication, I used their outdoor book for previous conversions) puts Creese's 3000m at 8:29.8 for two miles.
8:29.8 = 7:50.3 RC
8:34.2 = 7:54.4 GF
8:35.2 = 7:55.3 RS
8:39.8 = 7:59.6 GM
8:40.6 = 8:00.4 PS
8:40.9 = 8:00.7 JZ
8:43.8 = 8:03.3 CM
IAAF_indoor_scoring
Track information
ReplyDelete8:29.8 = 7:50.3 RC 300m banked synthetic
8:34.2 = 7:54.4 GF 160y banked board
8:35.2 = 7:55.3 RS 220y flat synthetic
8:39.8 = 7:59.6 GM 160y banked board
8:40.6 = 8:00.4 PS 220y flat synthetic
8:40.9 = 8:00.7 JZ 160y banked lumberyard
8:43.8 = 8:03.3 CM 220y flat synthetic
Final edit.
ReplyDelete2 mile list IAAF scoring
8:34.2 = 7:54.4 Greg Fredericks, Philadelphia, 1972 (160y banked board)
8:35.2 = 7:55.3 Robert Snyder, Delaware, 1979 (220y flat)
8:39.8 = 7:59.6 George Malley, CYO 1977 (160y banked board)
8:40.6 = 8:00.4 Paul Stemmer, vs Navy 1975 (220y flat)
8:40.94 = 8:00.7 John Zishka, NCAA 1981 (160y banked lumberyard)
8:43.8 = 8:03.3 Charlie Maguire, IC4A, 1974 (220y flat)
IAAF scoring combined 3000m/2 mile
7:50.36 = 8:29.8 Robbie Creese, 2015 Seattle (300m banked)
7:54.4 = 8:34.2 Greg Fredericks, 1972 Philadelphia, (160y banked board)
7:54.52 = 8:34.3 Sam Masters, 2013 Seattle (300m banked)
7:55.3 = 8:35.2 Robert Snyder, 1979 Delaware, (220y flat)
7:59.6 = 8:39.8 George Malley, 1977 CYO (160y banked board)
8:00.4 = 8:40.6 Paul Stemmer, 1975 vs Navy (220y flat)
8:00.78 = 8:41.0 Ken Frazier, 1989 Florida
8:00.7 = 8:40.94 John Zishka, 1981 NCAA (160y banked lumberyard)
8:03.3 = 8:43.8 Charlie Maguire, 1974 IC4A, (220y flat)
8:04.21 = 8:44.8 Matt Fischer, 2014 PSU National (200m banked)
Excellent work.
ReplyDeleteAt some point, someone should do the same for the 3 Mile/5000M. Although I'm not putting any pressure on anyone to do it!
ReplyDeleteI think Coach did all of those conversions back in the day. He clearly didn't have as much time on his hands as the IAAF cognoscenti in our midst. I will attest to the lumber yard "track" in Detroit - it had more dead spots than firm footing. Lane 1 was pretty much sawdust. LTM
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